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My gay ass 2002 Jetta

You Know when i first got my Jetta i loved it. Till 2 weeks later, exactly 2 weeks, my console started peeling. That was the start of it all. I have 40,000 miles on the car now, i know alot, but every time i’ve received an oil change from the dealership or private company, they tell me i have no oil. I get the run around by the dealership, Michael’s in Fresno,Ca. (don’t ever go there they suck) So, they’ve conducted 3 oil consumption tests since Sept. still coming to the conclusion that everything is fine. (whatever) My cd player/radio has been replaced twice. The brakes squeek, no matter what. The sunroof track guide has fallen off twice, the passenger seat has been replaced, the window clips and motors have been replaced twice.And now, on top of it all, it will not go into reverse. It grinds against something metal, i’m assumung a plate and linkage problem. I take it to the dealership and pay 42.05 to have them tell me they need to take the transmission out to determine anything. $578.75 is the labor for dropping the transmission just so they can tell me what’s wrong.

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BEETLE BULLSHIT

In 2000, I purchased my very first new car. EVER! I was 43 years old, the kids were grown and I wanted to do this on my own. Using the internet, I searched VW dealerships in my area that might have a green beetle and ended up at Fiore Volkswagen in Warwick, Rhode Island. Although there were a couple of minor electrical issues in the first couple of months (doors not opening when they should have; trunk would open, then driver door wouldnt unlock), Fiore made good on the first couple of problems that arose and I was a happy camper.

Approximately 6 months after I purchased the vehicle, someone at my place of employment bumped it without owning up to it. It was a minor scrape on the front end without a dent of any kind. I asked Fiore if they could paint it because I thought the paint match might be difficult for a non-VW body shop. When I picked the car up, they charged us over $500. for the job, which we were told was a paint job of the entire front bumper. When my husband checked the car, they painted only the scratched spot because the remainder of the bumper still had the usual wear and tear nicks on it. When he confronted the body shop manager, he admitted that only the spot had been painted and we were refunded the balance of the money.

After the 15,000 mile check-up (the car was less than 2 years old), I drove the vehicle home and thought everything was fine. That day, my husband called me outside to take a closer look at the underside of the rocker panels, only to see that they had been crushed. Fiores VW CERTIFIED MECHANICS had put the beetle on the lift incorrectly and crushed them nearly flat! After a telephone conversation, we brought the car to Fiore so that we could all take a look at it. The service manager agreed that their lift had done the damage. They made an appointment to have the appropriate body work done. I telephoned VW customer service (which is an oxymoron, if you ask me, because throughout all of this, all they succeeded in doing was trying to placate me) to complain that my new car was now damaged goods through no fault of my own. They provided a case number to my problem and that was that.

When my husband and I showed up at Fiore to view the body work, we were appalled. The rocker panels looked like stucco (not the orange peel kind of texture that they originally looked like) and body filler had been used to fill out the panels because underneath, they were still hollow. We were promised that Fiore would now order new rocker panels, cut out the old ones and install the new. In the interim, I contacted the RI Auto Dealers Association and an attorney as well. I also found out that the rocker panels were welded to the unibody construction and that to cut into the unibody would compromise the safety of the vehicle. I stopped in unexpectedly to visit the dealerships general manager, Ron Fiore, to discuss the problem and asked what else he might be able to do for me. The next day, he told me he had a brand new (2002) green turbo beetle that had just come in and that he would be willing to give me fair market value for the 2000 (prior to the damage) and I could finance the difference. The lawyer informed me that this was probably the best I could have hoped for.

A short while later, I drove off with the new beetle and, once again, I was a relatively happy camper.

This past week, my beetle hit the 10,000 mile mark and I was faced with the awful decision of returning to that dealership again, or starting over again at a new dealership. I mistakenly decided to go back to Fiore, thinking that Fiore had made things right.

I checked the car over carefully (or so I thought) before leaving the dealership and everything appeared fine. I did notice that the mileage was off (by 6 miles) and that the passenger heated seat was up to the maximum 5 setting. Strange considering no one had been in that seat for weeks. When I got home, once again my husband noticed that there was a dent in the driver side rocker panel. Nowhere near as bad as the first time. As a matter of fact, you cant see it from the side of the car. You have to look underneath. But the damage is there. Yesterday, we called VW customer service and Ron Fiore to discuss the problem. At first, Ron Fiore didnt want to help and even alluded to the possibility that we did the damage ourselves! He later offered to have his body shop repair the damage. And today, we received a call from the Fiore service manager saying What can we do to make this right? We can look at it and you can have the service done elsewhere at our expense. So we wonder, what happened between yesterday and today? Yesterday we were thorns in the dealerships side and today they want to fix everything? I dont understand. We have a case number and are trying to rectify the problem, but Ill NEVER go back to that dealership again. Im going to take my car while its still in one piece and keep it close to home.

I am only expressing this to you because, as many on this site have expressed, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER VOLKSWAGEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE! IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING BUYING A VOLKSWAGEN, PLEASE TALK TO OTHER OWNERS, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, FIND OUT ABOUT SERVICE ISSUES IN YOUR AREA. Many VW dealers are not who they pretend to be. They do not provide quality service by certified mechanics. And if they ARE certified, then I certainly would like to see what that certification must require, because if you cannot properly raise a vehicle on a lift without damaging it BEFORE you have even done the work, then that certification must not be worth the paper its printed on. Additionally, Volkswagen Customer Care does two things in an incident like my own. 1) They listen 2) They assign you a case number. AND THAT IS ALL THEY DO. They informed me that any issue you have with the dealer, you will have to rectify on your own because Volkswagen and the dealership are separate entities. I bought in to the whole creative VW hype too. And all it brought me was dissatisfaction.

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looking for a volkswagen

I had an a3 95 golf and I put about 160000 on the odometer. Never had any major problems like you guys. there is no trick but only to find “one” good mechanic, and be faithful to him. also, what helps is to learn how to do basic repair on the car and learn its capabilities. sadly, my 95 is crash. never buy a brand new car; it’s value makes no difference from a used one. used one- I mean from a private seller, not dealer.

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Passats Too?

I agree with almost all the postings here about the Jetta/Golf/Beetle trio. They are so bizarrely unsafe and unreliable! BUT I just got rid of a new Honda with almost as many problems…..My question: Would most of these complaints apply to the Passat also? As for VW of America….ALL the car companies suck if a problem arises. Be advised: In no way am I defending VW of America!!!! Thanks

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VW Golf

Thankfully, I have not had the problems most people on your site have had, but then again, I do not have the 1.8 engine. I have had to replace both head lamps, front turn signals, and every light in the tail (those you can do yourself though), the rear brakes needed replacing within 20,000 miles, which I found odd. Carter VW here in Seattle wanted to replace them but I figured I could do it cheaper and easier if I went to the brake guy by my house — glad I did. I have had problems with the timing belt and also the check engine light keeps going off. The dealer says it is because a cylinder keeps misfiring, but since there is “no reason for this to be happening” they cannot or will not fix it. Has anyone else had this problem? I realize cars have problems, but something does not seem right with VW. I had an Acura before this and a Honda before that, no problems with those of course. My wife and I just bought a Toyota last weekend. VW was not even a consideration, in case you are reading this VWoA.

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97 Jetta Trek

Hi guys, I just find this page new in here, and I think I should share a little of my experience to you guys. My brother brought the Jetta Trek in 1997 for Brand new. It’s good to drive, however, 4 months later, while my brother was driving the Jetta and he is turning right at the speed of 50km/h on the road that it’s allow to go 60km/h, the back left hand side rim came off, and we didn’t do anything on change rim and stuff. It was a pissed off.
Second thing, the left back window went down suddenly since I didn’t push any button. I want to tell you guys it was a winter time. Freeze my ass out…….
Once I took the Jetta for a car wash, while I was rinsing the bumper, a piece of paint came out, and I was like what the………this car is a piece of shit…….Guys, I forgot how much I pay for fixing this wreck, but I would just love to share my experience to you guys…..if there is not VW in the world, peace……..
More and More and More problems! after four years later, I finally traded in the damn Jetta to a new Protege 5 which I am driving for 2 years already. No problems at all. I promised, the day I still alive, I would stop my friends, others to get VW unless they are too rich or love to get his/her fix often.

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VW JETTA IS A PIECE OF SHIT

23000 DOLLARS FOR A CAR THATS BEEN IN THE SHOP MORE THEN IVE DRIVEN IT.

I HATE VW!!!

I am currently working on my fourht transmission and i only have 20000 miles on my car.

Gunther VW of Florida decided they could scratch, flake, and dent my car and then claim they are not liable. I am getting a huge lawsuit with them

How can anyone like dricving shit, between regulators, coilpacks, o2 secnsors and the likings i am going to set this on fire in front of there lot.

OH YEA, the stealerships can lick my nuts. They are the biggest bunch of pricks. YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING DONE IF YOU BUY A VW AND AS MUCH AS HAVE A KNOB FALL OFF THE RADIO.
(They even tried charing me 39 dollars for a knob)

DO NOT GET A VW EVER

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The usual…

Nothing new here, just thought I’d throw a few twigs on the fire…

2000 Golf, bought new

1. 21k miles: car turns over; won’t start – engine coolant temperature sensor replaced

2. 36k miles: as above…

3. 44k miles: after endless complaining about car burning oil, and the techs explaining that its not burning but consuming… all perfectly normal… finally a ring job is performed.

While in, they perform the oxygen sensor recall and fix the left window… we all know what happens with the windows…

4. 47k miles headlight replaced (the third…)

5. 53k miles: rear brakes (would be reasonable except it is the second set…)

6. 57k miles: burning oil again… float replaced

7. 58k miles: mass air flow sensor replaced; ending the check engine light (for good), after having them reset it at least 5-6 times.

8. 62k miles: interior light on instrument panel

9. currently at 67k miles: the interior dome light doesn’t work, the car is burning oil again (about a quart a week, although the last fix made it almost 10k miles…), and due to the poor design of the upper door seal (it has a velvety surface that absorbs water) every winter when it rains and then freezes my doors freeze shut and I have to poor room temperature water on the doors to open them.

This is the most problem prone car I have ever owned. If you check jd powers, the car ranks near the bottom in both initial quality and three year reliability (only suzuki, kia, and daewoo are worse…) Never again. Car drives and looks great, but clearly subpar manufacturing in Mexico and Brazil and/or poor design from a reliability standpoint make this car a very, very poor choice…

Toyota or Honda next, it seems clear, or at least a Ford, which may break more than Toyota or Honda (but less than vw according to JD Powers) but costs less to fix…

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02 Jetta problems

Wow – I’m surprised at all this feedback on VW! Wished I would’ve seen this before purchasing my Jetta. It’s new and I’ve had it for 11 months – so far the windows, speakers, sunroof parts, and front seat needed replaced – which the dealer did. VW customer service offered me an oil change for my problems. How about a reliable car?!

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