This site says it all!
I stumbled upon this site, and had to add my current horror story.
I test drove a 2003 Golf back in January. I loved the feel of the ride, and the mileage was low. I spend a lot of my job in the car, so the gas mileage was appealing as well.
I bought it, and the chaos started.
A rotor had to be replaced right after I bought it. I had them replace the actual stick part of the shifter because the cheap silvery covering was bubbling and peeling. They had to replace the rubber hatch lining because it was just laying there, out of its seam.
When I picked it up from the shop with those repairs, I had a 4 hour drive for my weekend away. I noticed that the molding over the on the passenger side mirror was busted.
I came back, called the dealer, and stopped in around the first week of March so they could see it, and order the part.
The part has yet to arrive. Everytime I deal with the tech, I get one of three results:
1. “”It’s not in yet. I dunno where it is.”"
2. I leave a voicemail that goes unreturned.
3. “”It’s not in yet, let me look into this with our manager. I’ll call you right back.”" No call back, of course.
While I was waiting for the part to come in, the car just started going to pieces. I didn’t take it in when the first thing went wrong because I didn’t want to have to make another trip knowing that the part would be arriving and I’d have to take it in anyway.
My calls went unreturned, I couldn’t get anyone from the service department to help me. Finally, my fiance tracked down the VP of the entire chain of dealerships and freaked out. He apologized, arranged for a new Jetta as my loaner and told me to go to the dealer ASAP.
I went in, and the tech who hadn’t bothered to return any calls or help in anyway was looking stressed after getting chewed by his boss. He was suddenly the picture of customer service. He took down the things that are going on with the car, which took two sides of an invoice, and went something like this:
-part still missing
-urine-like smell coming through air vents
-right speaker doesn’t work
-treble knob on stereo comes off in your hand
-undercarriage is creaking
-rotor is warped yet again
-door is rattling (hatch or back passenger, can’t tell which)
-after running for 5 minutes or so, and having no issues, car will go into a normal downshift as I slow down and the entire car lurches
This car only has 34k miles on it. It had 29k when I bought it.
I have never EVER had issues like this with any car, let alone with them happening all at once. I was almost afraid to leave it at the dealer, because once I pick it up, something else will break.
I just bought in in January, so I’m assuming I’m upside down on the loan, but I am desperate to get rid of this piece of junk. I feel so duped and frustrated. I was glad to find this site and see that I’m not the only person who overpaid for a piece-of-junk car hiding behind good marketing campaigns.
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you_moron Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 1:04 am
Idiot – Hey buddy. Ever buy a used car before? Better yet, ever buy a car?
Probly not by how you freak out at the most pathetic details. Wow I bought my ‘96 Passat last month. I bought it with a bad paint job, it needed new tires, a tie rod, and rear brakes. All that JUST to pass inspection, besides the paint. Did i freak out? NO. Why? Cause its a “”USED”" car. PLain and simple. When you buy a used car, you can check VIN# to see if had any accidents. But you never know how hard somebody drove the car. Did they redline every gear? Did they slam the clutch? Etc. Good luck……
Post edited 05/19/05 1:04 AM by you_moron
you_moron Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 6:06 am
you moron – Does he post anywhere that his car is automatic? No, so you go and read for comprehension. And yes, I know it was an automatic I was posting some ideas to look for when he buys his next car you dumbass. I didnt say EVERY single problem was cause it had been in an accident. Who needs to re-read? Why are you going off about Audi’s? Is this an Audi or a VW site?(Yes, I do know VW owns Audi). From the looks of it, I have no clue. Yea, lets bitch about problems are cars have. Cause this world is perfect, except for VW and Audi. Cars break down all the time, period. Fords suck, Chevy, GMC all cars suck. Every car has an issue. Explorers have tranny problems. And the speakers on vw…..thats just gay speakers blow all the time. I’m having a problem with my driver side speaker in Ford Contour. Do I care? Not really, cause I know anything man made is unreliable at best.
Post edited 05/19/05 8:22 PM by you_moron
Saucyjack Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 6:15 am
Audi Tech my left nut – Shoulda hired a mechanic – I own a 2003 VW Jetta, my brother owns a 1991 VW Jetta, and my friend owns a 1994 VW Jetta. I have never had a problem with mine, and the extent of the damage that had to be fixed with my brothers was due to an accident the owner before him got into. My friend with the 1994 only had to replace a CV joint – his car is 11 years old. I’m pretty sure the prior poster was using that as an example, “slamming the clutch.” I don’t know if the “former audi tech” realizes this when he criticized the other guys post bust 90% of the guys complaints are aesthetic and probally caused by mal-treatment or previous car accidents. By advice to you would be to hire a personal mechanic to come in and check out the car before you buy it and not just attribute it to shitty design, (about $100…) I would have to say owning a car for 11 years and it having more than 200,000 miles on it and only having to replace a CV joint, and probally a brake replacement or two is nothing at all in comparison to the life expectancy of a Ford Firebird (about 150,000 miles.) Moral of the story, the audi tech guy is obviously not an audi tech because he would probally realize the the origins of these problems, and the guy who bought it is a jackass and didn’t check the history of the car. Like You_Moron said, you have no idea what the guy before you did to his car. Heres a question for both of the posters to think on a while, why did the American car market drop from 80% to less than 30% of cars sold annually, and why do German companies, like VW and Audi – who also own Lamborghini, Ferrarai and several other high end performance companies – account for the largest percent sold annualy?
YupOldBull Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 9:11 am
Volkswagen Net Profit for 2004 Fell 31 Percent! – Yeah right. Units are down. Profit is down. Everything is just fine. Want some more VW statistics to chew on?
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/09/D03-111883.htm
Post edited 05/19/05 9:16 PM by YupOldBull
297 Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 12:19 pm
This site says it all! – There was probably a better way to put that, you_moron.
Heh. Don’t blame me, you picked the handle.
formerAuditech Said,
May 19, 2005 @ 12:40 pm
This site says it all! – hey moron, you are a moron……..
slam the clutch? umm it’s an automatic, how about reading for comprehension next time. and accidents? um i am sure if it’s had accidents that will cause all those problems, yeah right…..all his problems are common problems that happened AFTER he bought the car…….why? cause it’s a VW and they break. new VW’s make old Jag’s look reliable. they are junk thru and thru.
-tranny issues, common, either it needs a new control module or a new tranny
-speaker blown, super common, be it the top of the line Audi or the base line VW that is a very very common problem, and i don’t care who owns it, be it an old man that listens to the news or a younger owner that blasts rap…the speakers blow all the freaking time
-smell in the air vents, common, the drainage tubes for the a/c system are poorly designed and allow water to pool up creating mildew and hense the smell. all makes (be it vw or audi) all models, they didn’t get a single one designed right
-stereo problems……we use to stock stereos because they were falling apart constantly, the only car line i worked on where they did that, pretty sad if you ask me. they are total junk, the head units and the cd changers, not a one of them are worth a crap
-undercarriage noises, common very common….get use to it. we would love it when Audi’s would come in with this under warrenty, you replace pretty much everything up front……and the noises would be back in a few months. don’t bother dealing with it, just turn up the volume on that crappy stereo if it is working, or after you remove it, unhook the fuse, code it, hope it takes the code, and turn it on and hope it works
-rotor? a bit in the dark on what exactly you are talking about…….but if it is interior trim, that is junk and will break, discolor, peal, or just plain fall off no matter what piece it is. i love to replace interior trim almost as much as i love to replace instrument clusters…that is if the parts department could get the right color ordered because the ETKA parts ordering system makes about as much sense as door locks on a waffle house
-ahh door rattles, that could be any number of things, and believe me, i have seen a great deal of many things cause door rattles in these heaps
welcome to the sight, the cars are junk, the people are pissed, and VW doesn’t want to do a damn thing about it…….come back anytime……….oh and Moron, come on back when your sunroof drain tubes get clogged and you have lovely water damage in your interior (passenger floor looks like a kiddy wading pool) and your transmission control module takes a crap as a result…….
formerAuditech Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 1:17 am
This site says it all! – Moron, I will agree with you on one thing thoughall cars break, I don’t care what you bought everything comes in on the hook at one time in it’s lifejust seems that VW/Audi is doing that way more often than others out there..
“”slamming the clutch”"that’s good. I am constantly hard on my BMW clutch doesn’t mean the car is suddenly going to fall apart. You can drive a car hard and maintain it and it will lastbut when VW clutches get you maybe 30k even if you are gentle and the pressure plate surface area cracks into multiple pieces I would say you have a problem. Especially if this is a common occurrence, and by the way it is.
And “”but 90% of the guy’s complaints are aesthetic and probably caused by maltreatment or previous car accidents”" ok lets to the math..so he has 8 complaints and to make them fall into your category 7.2 would have to fall into the list you have above.
First up urine smell thru the vents.here again didn’t you read what I posted? Please tell me how that’s aesthetic, or was caused by maltreatment or a previous car accidentit is a poor design. Of the three car lines (four if you count Audi and VW separately) that I have worked on thru the years, only one other line with one model had this problem. The Mercedes Benz ML 98-00 did the same thing, but they fixed the 01’s. This is a common problem with Audi and VW and has been going on for years, pretty much since they introduced the MK4’s and corresponding Audi’s. Hell my 97′ GTI smelled like piss too until I did the temporary fix for it. As well as ripped off the rubber flaps to help aid in the drainage from the condenser.
Right speaker doesn’t workagain how does this fall onto your list? And also please note that he stated “”started after I bought the car”".meaning it was working fine when it left the lot. This is a common problem with these cars. Hell the thing is a freaking 03′ with only 30k on it, the speakers shouldn’t be going out. What year is your Contour Moron? I am betting that it isn’t an 03, or doesn’t have that low of miles. This is a common occurrence with these cars. Hell some guy was back weekly with his S4 cause the speakers were playing musical chairs with which one was going out until I finally just convinced the shop foreman to let me replace all of them after his fourth trip back.
Treble knob comes off in your hand.again after he bought the car, how does that make your list? And again this is a common problem, the buttons on the stereo’s are junk. Someone I know bought a brand spanking new jetta and under normal use had two of the knobs come off before the first oil change was due.
Undercarriage creakingalright I will give you this one, because yes an accident could cause something to get misaligned and creak.BUT, seeing how he is at 30k that’s about right for when the noises start, and it only gets worse. I don’t know of any other car that has the suspension noises these things do after that low amount of miles. And this is common on BOTH Audi’s and VW’sand again he also said that this happened AFTER he bought the car.
Rotor warped again.nope, doesn’t make the list, but for arguments sake it could, and because I know you are going to need all the help you can get to hit that 90% I will give you this…I can see misuse breaking it, but warping it would take a lot of work, that I don’t think someone would waste the time.
Door is rattling.these things are so common for noises, but here again I can see this making your list. I will give you this. But my money is on the fact that someone did a window regulator kit and left the pieces in the door and he just happen to hit a bump just right that jarred the piece loose from wherever it was lodged and now it is moving around making noise. Either that or something came loose, which is also highly likelybut again he said this happened after he bought it.
And my fav.the transmission. Um NOPE doesn’t make the list. I have seen autos come in with owners that I know have abused them and little old ladies that just drove them on Sunday to church, they break. Any VW tech will tell you that their auto trans’s are horrible, it’s a known fact. And again this happened after he bought it.
So lets add it up..you needed 7.2 to make 90% and you only got 3..so that makes your percentage 37%……..and your friend owns a 94 jetta and only needed a CV joint after 11 years. So you are telling me he didn’t need brakes every 15k to 20k if he was lucky, new exhaust every four or five years, or had absolutely no problems with his ebrake system among other things? Highly doubtful. Look I personally like the MK3 gen. I think it is the last great line VW had. Hell I had one I loved itexcept for the constant freezing of the door lock assemblies, the ebrakes freezing up all the damn time no matter what I replaced or did, and replacing the front wheel bearings for premature wear a couple of times.aside from that it was a great car.heck I tell you what, go look at the vin, I bet it doesn’t start with 3VWfact is the old German made models are leaps and bounds above the Mexi builds.you can see it clearly when you compare older MK3s (one built in Germany and one build in mexico)..you can see the difference and the quality.
And I am not going to disagree with you about american cars, personally I don’t like them and think they have a lot of catching up to do..i drive German, but REAL German cars. Either the older VW’s or BMW’s and Benz’s. I just don’t feel safe in a new American car, hell they are almost always fairing the worst in accident safety..heck that’s the reasoning behind why bill clinton bought chelsa (however you spell her name) a new beetle over a neon, the neon just didn’t rate as high in accident crash tests.
And last but not least, my fav..”"Moral of the story, the audi tech guy is obviously not an audi tech because he would probably realize the origins of these problems..”"
I do realize the origins of these problems, I have seen them time and again. Poor product design, poor product suppliers, and poor auto manufacture not wanting to do a damn thing about it. VW/Audi is the most anti-proactive car company I have worked for..and you are right, I am not NOW an Audi tech, that’s why my sig says “”formerauditech”" not “”auditech”". And just to prove I am not talking out of my ass…I was with Mercedes Benz 7+ years (still have my plaque that would hang on the wall when you walk into the service department), BMW for not quite 4 years, and with Audi for 3+.all the while driving VW’s and working on them. So I am not some little newbie that got lost from his VW forum board and decided to come in here and spread the word that VW/Audi are freaking fantastic and the best thing since sliced bread..
Oh and Moron, yes this is a VW site I know this.but please here again go do your homeworkAudi and VW are blood brothers. The real only differences are interiors and like two motor choices (maybe a couple more if you include the Tbag motor choices). But quite a bit of the parts work for either. Remember all the window regulator problems vw was having? Wonder how they fixed the problem? They started using the window regulator clips that were metal, that were on the Audi’s already. They use the same diag. equipment as wellso yes this is a VW site, you are correct, I was personally a bit in the dark on that one, thanks for clearing that up.
Funny how the posts that “”defend”" vw are all from newbs to this sightgo look at my post count, better yet go look at another thread I have posted in. It’s obvious that I must not know what I am talking about and have no background in anything VW. You kiddies are talking to a former enthusist that has seen the light and is spreading the word, goodluck with that.
Saucyjack Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 2:37 am
This site says it all! – Great your a mathemtician, or maybe you just take my exxageration a bit too serious. The point is they are all minor problems, and I dont know about you but having any clutch last 30k miles is pathetic. I already have about 55k on mine and it runs like its new. I never said they were the best thing since sliced bread but they are definetly better than a POS scion (referring to one of Audi Tech’s previous posts.) – Great the mechanic who worked on the door was a jackass, it has nothing to do with the quality of the car, and if you did read my entire post I did mention a few pairs of brakes. I do know a few years mid to late 90s they put in transmissions that weren’t up to par with the rest of the car. The original poster’s complaints were at minimum pathetic. Its all aesthetic bullshit and doesn’t effect the way the car runs (other than the rotor warp – which probally means the mechanic was a jackass)
you_moron Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 5:18 am
Ok – I’ll agree with you on a few on those things. Of course, all the problems happend “”after”" he bought the car. He wouldn’t have bought it. All I was trying to get to in the begging was that it’s a car. There is going to be problems. Fix it. Treat your car good, it treats you good.(most of the time) Contour is a ‘99, with 81k miles. Other than that speaker, no problems. A Ford is in no way shape for form better than a Vdub. I happen to love vdubs I’m just tyring to stick up for them. I know a lot of people who have them and none have serious problems. Besides the occassional accident which is the drivers fault. And the kid with the 1994 Jetta. Yea he did replace breaks, but thats common for ANY car be it VW, BMW, Jag, etc. Just a CV joint is all. But CV joints are ment to take a shit anyway. He fucked up his exhaust by backing up to far and rolled down his hill at his college, and hit a rock.(No street lamps) He rear-ended some1 a while back so his hood is crunched a bit. Some1 hit and run his left-rear corner panel about a year ago. Other than accidents and the CV joint his car has been in perfect running condition. He’s not a mechanic but knows enough about a car that it won’t fall apart on him. Believing it or not is your choice.
Just cause were new to the site means we know nothing about VWs? Damn, guess the next “”new”" president won’t know a damn thing about his job either. Or the next new football player drafted to the NFL. Nice work Sherlock.
Post edited 05/20/05 5:25 PM by you_moron
Post edited 05/20/05 5:28 PM by you_moron
formerAuditech Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 5:57 am
This site says it all! – minor problems? transmission acting up a minor problem? and i am sorry but i have seen many a new auto trans installed on the MK4’s as well as the MK3’s……this problem isn’t a random occurance…..and yes clutch at 30k is pathetic, thank you. count yourself luckly you are sitting at 55k with it, what motor, 2.0 or diesel?
please tell me how a technician that is a jack ace can warp a rotor on installation? their rear brake design is abismal at best and rear rotors are prone to cracking and warping as a result. not to mention the lovely frozen ebrake that pops up from time to time.
also please tell me how a Scion is a POS? their reliability is leaps and bounds above VW in all aspects of their cars. Toyota is doing what VW should be doing in the US, minus the hybrid because that is a horrible idea that will die off in a few years.
and yes so the mechanic that worked on the door may have screwed something up…..but perhaps not, we do not know what is rattling in his car for certain. i am just saying that i have seen that more often than not…..because VW is having a nasty habit of employing techs that are barely one step above a walmart oil changer. the students coming out of their schools can’t even mount front license plate brackets straight, i mean come on. and they want to compete with Benz and BMW….i am sorry but the service department drives people’s opinion about a product line as well, if not more so…if you read other posts (and it looks like you have) you will see time and again people’s problems with VW’s service departments across the country.
you aren’t going to win anyone over here, or change anyone’s opinion. fact is VW/Audi is failing as a car company and it’s really quite sad, and this sight is living proof of that. heck my friend is putting on his aircooled beetle a sticker that says “”vwsucks.com what it is, isn’t what it was”" because the fact of the matter is it’s true.
i see you have an 03….come back in a few after your instrument cluster gives you fits, your lock tabs on your cable shifter take a crap (if you have a manual), you need to replace the side air bags in the seat(s), the door lock control module starts acting up, the sunroof potentimeter(sp) aka sunroof control switch goes bad, your fuel pump goes out, your FPR craps out, lovely poorly made vacuum lines break and turn on your check engine light, your coil packs start crapping out, the plastic impeller on your water pump finally breaks, immoblizer goes out, keys go bad, and the list goes on and on……if you have a 1.8t, wow, please believe i can make you a very very long list of common items that go out on that motor……the only other car line or car model that i could even come close to making a shopping list on, that would be “”sort of close”" in length to anything MK4 VW or Audi, is the 98-00 Benz ML’s….but they have fixed all their issues with the new models as they are a pro-active car company.
look seriously, go back to your little VW forum board, you are wasting your time here. every “”great”" vw thing you can think of i can think of at least 10 negitives because i have lived it and i have worked with it on two coasts at more than 4 dealers. not to mention my buddies that were working at VW dealers when i was with Benz and BMW. fact is they are lousy, snazzy commercials lousy products, and the truth is starting to come out……
formerAuditech Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 6:10 am
moron, – first off the “”newb”" thing…..all i am saying about the newbies is that you see them pop in defend stupidity and then disappear. your compairsons fall a little flat…..won’t a new NFL draftiee have played the game for years? also wouldn’t a president have been in goverment for years? all i am saying is that once and awhile we get enthusits in here that know nothing other than the fact that they love VW’s and cannot believe or stand anyone who doesn’t….so they rant and rave and then disappear. that’s where i was going with that.
and yes any car will last if you maintain it or throw enough money at it……but my point with the brakes was that they do not last due to inferior quality. heck my 97 GTI was on it’s second set at 30k, went to brembo (i think that was the brand, don’t quote me) instead of stock and i got easily twice the life out of them vs. stock. and i was purposely hard on the brembo’s to see if they would give me more life than stock, as i am a fan of rocking all things OEM on a car…….and the exhaust has a very short life span, especially here on the east coast where climate conditions are similar to that of Germany…….heck i saw a brand spanking new 20th (when they came out) come off the showroom floor go right into the service department for a high performance cat back system….and all the studs for the exhaust manifold broke, we couldn’t believe it, it was a new car…….look be a fan of the cars, it’s your choice, i am not saying don’t be…..but except the fact that these cars aren’t as reliable as many other cars out there in the price range, or the fact that the service departments don’t back them up as they should.
VW isn’t what it was, that’s why i jumped ship. i wanted nothing more to do with them.
you_moron Said,
May 20, 2005 @ 6:33 am
Your point? – Whats that have to do with anything? (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/09/D03-111883.htm)
They had a bad quarter for earnings. Based upon the 2 chinese factories. Anyway, 95% of computers in the WORLD run on Windows. Microsofts stock as been stagnant since the 2000 bubble. But they are still the best. You even hear of all the problems and holes they have in their programs. If they have so many problems how do they stay at the top? Thanks for the random non-sensible fact that anyone who knows about stocks already knew. *smirks*
Post edited 05/20/05 6:34 AM by you_moron
you_moron Said,
May 21, 2005 @ 4:17 am
…. – Kurt Warner ring a bell? He didn’t play football before NFL. He worked at grocery store. But anyway. I hate Eminem and 50 cent but I don’t have a forum about how much they suck. Correct me if I’m wrong, VW makes BMW and Benz engines.(not 100% sure) That says something about quality right there. I’m sure only like 10% of all VW ‘break’ down. 10% is a little how but its not a lot. And Scions, how do you all know they last so long? The line is like in its 2nd year. Like said VW’s don’t fall about for like 35k miles(roughly 3 years). So we still have time till the POS proves itself to be true. All I’m saying is I know quite a few people who have Vdubs and they work/run great. I know I haven’t seen as many of them as you cause you obviously worked on atleast 10 different ones a day. But some people overexagerate. I can respect you decision to not like the car/company. But to go off and pick EVERY little minor detail about whats wrong with your car and making a forum about it? That takes it to a new low. I have yet to make a forum and list every minor detail about the imperfections in your face.(jokingly)
formerAuditech Said,
May 22, 2005 @ 4:40 am
homework. – VW makes BMW and Benz motors? oh you have got to be freaking kidding me. BMW made (and still does) the motors for Rolls Royce (sp) starting in, the late 90’s i do believe. and they continued to supply the motors for them while VW owned them. VW does NOT have anything to do with BMW or Benz. those two car makers make a very fine product (and BMW has the best diag. equipment and onboard systems of any car maker out there) same can’t be said for VW. VW has a falling resale value and they are rating very poorly in reliability in many prominent consumer reports type magazines. heck go to ANY vw enthuists sight that will have the newer ones on it and you WILL find a tech forum and you will find at least two issues on it, 1.8t and check engine lights or running issues of some kind for all the other motors. heck the forum i was on the tech section was second only to the general discussion board. and mostly everyone on the sight agreed that VW’s were not the most reliable cars out there, AND THESE GUYS WERE ENTHUSITS!!!!!
and how do i know that Scions last? because they have been out overseas for longer than they have over here, and the west coast got them approx. two years before we did (we being us on the east coast). and above all they are a toyota product. go find me someone that has a bad story about a toyota product, that is hard to come by. toyota is probably the best Japanese car manufacture out there, hell the Camry is the best selling mid sized sedan (the one the jetta is trying to constantly be like, or measure up to) year after year. so um yeah i would say that they are reliable, and they have the track record to prove it.
and go off on every little detail? go look around, everyone on here has similar complaints…..and running issues aren’t “”little details”" to me and a bunch on this site, maybe to you cause you are a VW enthusist, but for the rest of the world that just wants a reliable car and bought these things based on what they were before, are greatly disappointed. VW is letting the American market down in many ways. snazzy commercials will only bail water on the titanic for so long, but eventually it is going to sink.
and you said that i have worked on “”ten cars a day”" damn that’s quick, but 5 at most…….and you just proved my point, if i work at a dealer i DO see more than you….so a couple of your friends got lucky, i am sure it is bound to happen….hell i bet you can find an old timer than had an old Jag and said it was freaking reliable for him the entire time he owned it…..so he is among that lucky 10% while the other 90% had nothing but issue after issue with their ride. look around, the majority of the vw owners are complaining, the rest are enthusists trying their best to defend the POS VW/Audi has become. you are among the minority, get use to it.
Chombi Said,
May 22, 2005 @ 6:40 am
I just had to chime into this discussion. – I just found an old work order in the box I used to clean out my 97 Passat when I traded it in for a “”POS”" Scion TC, about three weeks ago.
I had to laugh when I read it. It says in the comments box “”Control unit failed, car stops on freeway. Towed to service department.”" The mileage recorded on the top of the work order reads “”223 miles”"!! It seems like my B4 died earlier than I thought, I always thought I got at least 600 miles before the first major breakdown occured. I think I owned it close to a week at that time. It was just the start of a constant nightmare of check engine lights, ABS failures, interior and body hardware failures and major electrical problems that continually plagued my 97 B4. 1997 the last year they made the B4, all those years of VW building it, and they never figured out how to fix all the problems they had throughout its model run. Heck, even a bunch of the B3’s problems were still popping up on B4s!
I have been thoroughly ENJOYING my “”POS”" Scion TC all of the Three weeks I have owned it so far. I’ve gone past 1,500 miles on it with nothing failing, sputtering or falling off the “”POS”".
So, “”you moron”", you can go and call Toyota owners morons all you want for buying “”POS”" Toyota products, but don’t ever expect us to give you a ride when your late model Wunderwagen konks out on the side of the highway like mine did three times (2 times for ignition switch/electrical failures). Anyway, you’re sounding like you think you are just too good to even sit your butt on any Asian made car seat.
Since I’ve been involved with VWs when I bought my B4, much of the VW owners community is just turning into a bunch of nasty defensive “”enthusiasts”" that will not hesitate to lick the bottoms of the tires of their Fartfernugenmobiles and put down anything designed outside of “”der fatherland”", with no real credible evidence to support their criticism of the “”Auslander”" cars and is quickly losing all sense of perspective.
For me, one VW nightmare is enough! Never again!!!!!
Oh, by the way, I try to convince anyone I know or just bmp into that is looking for a new car not to even think of buying a VW. So far, I got pretty much everyone in my workplace of 150 people convinced that VW does not make good cars. They agree, cause they had the proof staring at them at the company parking lot for the whole time I had been working there! and ten other co-workers just dying to get rid of their troublesome late model VWs. I think we just have one last co-worker still unconvinced even though his new Passat 1.8T just recently drank up all it’s oil within a few days. He’s hoping his dealer and VOA will eventually find out what’s going on and fix it…….Goooooood Luck!
Post edited 05/23/05 5:05 AM by Chombi